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Payonidhi's Sentimental Journal

By Rocana Dasa | Published 02/14/2007
Category: Hare Krishna News , New Vrindavan Controversy
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In his recent article, "Radhanatha Swami and Cooperation in ISKCON", Payonidhi dasa has given us an opportunity to witness the predictable effects of going to India and meeting the 'big guys' in an orchestrated festival atmosphere. At the Mayapur Festival each year, the swamis get a chance to display their abilities and do what they do best, which is publicly appear to be very saintly, advanced personalities. I acknowledge that Radhanatha is a professional at this, by nature and by training.

Anyone who's been following the New Vrindaban discussion in the Sun will understand that I don't agree with anything Payonidhi prabhu has to say in his article. First of all, he asks us to forget the past. Either he hasn't been following or he doesn't understand what people are saying -- we're not simply dwelling on the past (as in the 'old' New Vrindaban), we're also looking at the present. In fact, this whole New Vrindaban issue emerged because I initially addressed some of the things Radhanatha Swami has been doing in the present, such as visiting Kirtanananda and having his people stay at the Sanctuary in New York, which flies in the face of the GBC's own clear rules.

Radhanatha Swami was joined in his fondness for Kirtanananda by Bhakti Tirtha Swami, who also saw fit to break the GBC rules and invite Kirtanananda to Gita Nagari. Likewise, he invited Vakresvara Pandit to Gita Nagari, knowing that he was under GBC sanction for illicit sexual activities with a minor girl. So I raised the point that while both these swamis are perceived by members such as Payonidhi as being highly purified, spiritually potent, absolute followers of Srila Prabhupada, the truth is that they have no qualms whatsoever about ignoring the rules of the GBC - the Governing Body that we're told is sanctioned by Srila Prabhupada himself. Anyone who doesn't see the gross hypocrisy of this situation just isn't paying attention.

So while Payonidhi dasa asks us to forget the past, what keeps bringing up the past is the fact that our ISKCON leaders continue to flaunt their own self-importance and independence, and they live by a double standard, freely doing things that would get the rank and file members ejected from their Spiritual Master's movement.

Now I suspect that Payonidi dasa will agree with this logic, and will reply with a comment from the other side of the fence saying 'No, it's not all right for these GBC's to break their own rules'. One can only hope that in the same breath, Payonidhi prabhu will admit that his earlier pro-Radhanath stance was based on sentiment, and not on fact or logic.

Today, many voices are asking that we all forget the impact Kirtanananda and his entourage of New Vrindaban people had on ISKCON. Those who operated for years under Kirtanananda's guidance should, in the opinion of some, now be seen as remediated and purified because of their actions in the intervening years. They apparently conclude that it doesn't matter that these individuals continue to follow, to this very day, programs fairly similar in nature to those Kirtanananda instituted. Radhanatha is a perfect example.

We just heard Payonidhi glorify Radhanatha Swami and all the wonderful things he has going on at Chowpatty, where he's giving shelter to sincere devotees. Of course, this is the very same thing people were saying about Kirtanananda at New Vrindaban. Where is the difference! Devotees like Payonidhi look at the surface, and all the apparently wonderful things going on, and proclaim that it is a purely spiritual atmosphere. Those who question the obvious signs that things may not be as they seem as labeled fault-finders.

Interestingly, we also hear that the Chowpatty temple is essentially Radhanath's personal domain. It apparently isn't even registered as an ISKCON property, although we understand that the temple has been giving donors receipts in ISKCON's name. The receipts apparently have to go through the Juhu Beach, Bombay temple, and there is some concern about financial accounting. This, of course, merits our further attention. But in the meantime, how is it that Radhanatha Swami puts himself forth as being 1000% a Prabhupada man, yet he hasn't even put his temple under the legal auspices of ISKCON? We wonder if he has been asked to sign over control of his temple in the same way the North American temple boards are being asked to sign over control?

With respect to Radhanatha Swami personally, what I'm most concerned about is the fact that he is sustaining and promoting himself like a Zonal Acarya. While he avoid the stigma of the name 'Zonal Acarya', and hasn't to our knowledge taken on a pretentious title like 'Acaryapada', in all other ways he appears to be in the same Zonal Acarya mood that characterized his godbrothers. We see this in the way he's organized his temple, and in the way he's preaching and acting. I've recently subjected myself to listening to many of Radhanatha Swami's lectures, which have gone a long way towards convincing me that he is absorbed in a Zonal Acarya mentality. I'll be doing quite a bit of writing in the future on this subject.

As for shaking the faith of his followers by our supposed criticism of him, that is an entirely lame argument on Payonidhi's part. If one takes the time to read what the GBC themselves are saying openly, as reported from the Mayapur meetings, the biggest faith-shattering activities taking place in the movement are when big devotees fall down. So that's what's really shaking faith, not what we're saying in the Sampradaya Sun.

Kirtanananda Swami was just such a 'big devotee'. The movement continues to suffer from the reverberations of his falldown, and probably will for many decades more. As a long-time close friend and supporter of his, it has now been called to attention that Radhanatha Swami merits watching. Radhanatha, after all, took sannyasa from the fallen Kirtanananda. Several devotees have made recent disclosures implicating Radhanatha in the New Vrindaban murder cover-up.

I can only hope that my godbrothers and sisters will shake themselves free of the sentimentality that's displayed so obviously in Payonidhi dasa's article. As has so often been the case in ISKCON's past, we all need to take off the rose-coloured glasses and see our leaders for who and what they really are. We can be sure that the vast majority of potency emanating from those associated with ISKCON comes directly from Srila Prabhupada. And while Radhanatha Swami proclaims his deep love for Srila Prabhupada, no one can ignore the fact that neither his lectures nor his lifestyle resemble Srila Prabhupada's, even remotely.

All that quotes that Payonidhi prabhu offered in his article don't apply at all, in my mind. Payonidhi emphasizes the whole idea of "cooperating"… but cooperating with who? We're supposed to be cooperating with one other on the basis of cooperation with Srila Prabhupada's program, but the leaders themselves are not cooperating with Srila Prabhupada, so why should we cooperate with them? Where's that going to get us? The perfect example is Radhanatha at New Vrindaban, where he was humbly cooperating with Kirtanananda. According to recent evidence, his cooperative activities included helping in the cover-up of murdering devotees. Now these aren't "little mistakes" we're talking about here, like accidentally eating something that has eggs in it. We're talking about murder, wholesale deception, causing Vaisnavas untold grief, and supporting a man who was abusing innocent children for sexual gratification. Of course, the latter doesn't apply to Radhanatha himself, but to say he didn't know it was going on is just total illusion. These are not "mistakes". And we haven't heard any public admission on his part, nor does he ask for forgiveness for these so-called mistakes.

I know that Radhanatha is very expert at being a sweety-pie guy. He knows how to give all sorts of devotee hugs and kudos to old Srila Prabhupada disciples, which of course is the same thing Narayana Maharaja does. But is this a professional technique or a heart-felt sincere exhibition of true devotee love? Anyone can learn this techniques at a Tony Robbins workshop. Payonidhi prabhu obviously fell head over heels for this whole mood, and came away with the idea that all our problems will go away if we all just meet in Mayapur each year to chant and dance, and engage in sadhana together. But history doesn’t prove that to be true at all. We've been meeting in Mayapur every year since 1972, and our problems haven't been solved. In fact, the Mayapur meetings have exacerbated the problems because the leaders are put on a big pedestal there, and people like Payonidhi 'fall in love' with them, which gives them even more power and prestige. This isn't good for their spiritual lives, but it does help give them carte blanche to do whatever they like when the festival's over. They're a bit like rock and roll stars who have to go on tour to promote their album. In the same way, these big devotees are on stage at Mayapur. They get to give devotees like Payonidhi big hugs and show themselves on their best behaviour. They have their devotional poses down, and lead the kirtans and give the classes to great effect. But then all these 'big devotees' go home to whatever district they're in, and I dare say, nothing changes. So how is it that this is going to solve everybody's problems? This is a big illusion.

To hear Payonidhi dasa, Srila Prabhupada's ISKCON family can be found at the Mayapur festival. But isn't it more true that you only see those who are allowed to participate in Mayapur? Is our ISKCON family comprised of all the devotees, including the vast majority of Srila Prabhupada's direct disciples who don't go to the festival? Many of them can't even go to Srila Prabhupada's temples, on the order of these same sweet GBC's who Payonidhi dasa has now decided to glorify. He seems to forget the fact that they're the ones who exclude most of their own godbrothers. Payonidhi would have us forgive and forget, but you can only forgive someone if they change the policies and habits that caused the offence in the first place. And in the case of ISKCON's leaders, that's not what they're doing at all.

As for Payonidhi's comments about Chandramauli Swami, this is another interesting set of circumstances. Payonidhi is apparently willing to take the word of Chandramauli, who for whatever reason decided to tell him all about the old days at New Vrindaban. From his perspective, of course, there's no one to blame but Kirtanananda. These ex-New Vrindaban leaders like Chandramauli don't even blame Tirtha for the current debate -- they blame Janmastami, and others who dare to discuss history publicly. Of course, they came out smelling like roses on the whole deal. They're all swamis getting the royal treatment, receiving all the benefits of ISKCON, even though for a good portion of their devotional career they really weren't even a part of ISKCON, given that Kirtanananda was kicked out around 1986. The real question is, was New Vrindaban ever in ISKCON, considering that Kirtanananda was 100% in charge and his program was not Srila Prabhupada's? This is what devotees like Radhanatha and Chandramauli were living by and promoting, while many abominable activities happened under their watch.

All of Kirtanananda's entourage have now been embraced and invited back to ISKCON, but who else has been invited back? Just like in the Zonal Acarya days, if you were the friend of a Zonal back then, you were given full facility. So Radhanatha Swami's success and power have enabled him in protecting people like Chandramauli, Devamrita, Umapati, Malati, and Kuladri. They're all embraced by ISKCON today due to the fact that Radhanatha supports them. They're all old buddies, and they can talk about the "good old days at New Vrindaban" together. They can share those memories and experiences like a private club, say to others "you just don't know what happened there -- you weren't there, only we know". This is exactly what we've heard from Tirtha in prison. So whatever they say happened, that's what happened. And whatever we observed happening doesn't count. This is just like the Nazis saying to the Jews "well you just don't understand what it was like under Hitler. We had to do these things. It's not us personally - we have nice families and we're good Christians. Only we were there, and know what it was like. So let's all forget about it".

Would you say to the Jews 'just forgive and forget' what happened to them in WWII, or do you want to embrace their instant response, which is we don't want people to forget, because then it can happen again. And I say it's happening again. Zonal Acarya-ism is alive and well, and is personified by Radhanatha Swami.


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15 Comments
 
Payonidhi das Rating: ratingfullratingfullratingfullratingfullratingfull Unrated
said this on 14 Feb 2007 9:01:16 AM EST
I appreciate Rocana's article "Payonidhi's Sentimental Journal "at the same time I also made Rocana Prabhu aware of the lack of accounting at Chowpatty temple and not being fully registered as an ISKCON temple , in a private letter, he has the root of that information from me.
But it is ok, I like him to defeat my article. ".Rradhanath Swami and Cooperation in ISKCON", though I meant what I said in that article, I feel it has gone to far to show pictures of the murdered devotees in a public forum as it may backfire on our trying to make devotees. Then again we should have nothing to hide about the past. I do want to point out that the activities of New Vrindavan and ISKCON are different, as Kirtananda and New Vrindavan was kicked out of ISKCON.Making New Vrindavans past ISKCON's past is simply not fair.Yes the muderes took place and it is certainly nothing we should forget.
I told Chandra Mali Swami I certainly did not agree with his presentation, one thing he wanted me to believe was that Kirtananda had nothing to do with the murders of these devotees.
I do however see there is lack of evidence of Radhanath Swamis involvement in the murders of Sulocana.
Yes, testimony from Janmastami , and for sure there is the complaints of some mataji from New Vrindavan.Surely Radhanath Swami committed mistakes while in New Vrindavan. Is he my siksa Guru, certainly not. If he was serious, maybe he would have met with me in person to discuss some of these past issues
from New Vrindavan, but he choose not too, nor did I ask him ,if we can discuss this, so that is my mistake.
However devotees meeting in Mayapure yearly is Srila Prabhupada's program, and anyone that is serious can look up Srila Prabhupadas letters about the Mayapure festival, there has to be some unity, we can't just fight all the time and disagree.There must be unity in diversity.
Should we be blind, certainly not. I also see there is some move from "Radhanath Swamis institution"
to take over ISKCON, to control ISKCON Juhu and also Vrindavan and any temple it can gets it hands on.
But that may be my misconception (that I am not the only one that has then)
It is certainly a huge mistake that Chowpatty is not registered under ISKCON, and there is also some concern that there is very few disciples of other Gurus in Chowpatty temple and other Guru's and senior devotees preaching there.Yes it sure appears like another zonal acarya system.You are right on that Rocana Prabhu.
The GBC is talking about book distribution but why is more and more bookdistributors not allowed to live in ISKCON temples? It is a world wide problem, more and more book distributors live outside the temples and continue their service from outside, sadly this is the case. But though there is a good example like with Tirupati temple that a wonderfull temple can be created and maintained by book distribtuion, most leaders at heart still have little faith in the distribution of Srila Prabhupadas books, what to speak of actually distributing them themselves.That is our observation.
. But many many wonderful things are happening in ISKCON, and they sure must be hard to see if you live in a zone like Vancouver. Yes I would suggest to Rocana Prabhu to come and see Tirupati temple and get those dark glasses off, no it is not rosy, but many good things are going on, and I feel enlivened and inspired, and this is why I wrote" Radhanath Swami and Cooperation in ISKCON".I do hope and trust Radhanath Swami can become a key player also, and his disciples are also part of ISKCON's family. If we see each other as family( Prabhupadas family) , then we can forgive others also, and others will try to work with us too. Maybe Rocana Prabhu can come with us to Chowpatty temple
and meet Radhanath Swami in person and have a talk with him, maybe we will all see things differently? Are we not all trying to serve Srila Prabhupada and go back to Godhead At what point does all this negativity stop?
ISKCON's future is bright, lets be part of it. And yes there is purification in going to ISKCON Mayapure and seeing Navadvipa dhama.Have no doubts about it.

 
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said this on 14 Feb 2007 9:12:06 AM EST
How long ago does an event have to occur to be considered forgettable and in the past? Everything is technically 'in the past' as soon as it happens.
Forgetting the past can be a dangerous thing.
The poet and philosopher George Santayana said: "Those
who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it."
The mercy of Krsna and Srila Prabhupada free us from our past (karma) but only if we follow their instructions and serve them.
Otherwise the past must be dealt with,especially the consequences of murdering a Vaisnava. Will Krsna forget such an offense? How is that record to be erased other than by the mercy of the victim devotee, Sulocana?
And how is that forgiveness to be extended unless there is an admission of guilt in the first place?
Our presence in the material is all about the past. How we are locked in a prison whose bars are our past misdeeds.
So many Vedic rituals are necessitated to alleviate karma precisely because the past doesn't just go away because we forget it.
Whether captial crimes are committed yesterday or decades ago has no relevance in the grand scheme of things - that is spiritually- remorse and the mercy of the spiritual master are still our only recourse.
That is a path Radanatha has yet to take. Until then, he forgets his past misdeeds only at his eternal peril.


 
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said this on 14 Feb 2007 10:19:35 AM EST
"At what point does all this negativity stop?"
There is that mantra again. The sentimental chant of the positive thinking gurus of the past like Norman Vincent Peale.
Prabhupada wasn't asking for 'positive' thinking - just purified thinking which requires purging out the negative. How can we purge ourselves of anarthas unless we acknowledge them. The 'negativity' is not Rocana prabhu's negativity. He is simply the truth-sayer , the sage and sadhu. It is the negativity of the principals of whom he speaks that is the problem. As soon as Radantha's gives up his questionable association, discloses everything he knows about the NV atrocities, and stop accepting disciples under false pretences, the the negativity will end.
It is not the knower of the fault, but the doer of the fault that is negative.
When will the denial mantra end?

 
Payonidhi das Rating: ratingfullratingfullratingfullratingfullratingfull Unrated
said this on 16 Feb 2007 5:53:51 AM EST
here is a mantra you should try ,might purifie even you it is called the Maha mantra, ask any temple about it

 
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said this on 16 Feb 2007 6:21:16 AM EST
Payonidhi, please spare me your hypocritical proselyzing. I chant 16 rounds daily and follow the regulative principles. Sorry if that doesn't fit in to your wishful thinking, otherwise known as speculation.

 
Payonidhi das Rating: ratingfullratingfullratingfullratingfullratingfull Unrated
said this on 16 Feb 2007 7:27:30 AM EST
you are not worth knowing as you are some new upstart, challenging so many senior men.We have surely served Srila Prabhupada before you was even born

 
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said this on 16 Feb 2007 7:34:25 AM EST
and there is more answers to you Bhaktaji, under Radhanath Swami and Cooperation in KC, and I am not wasting my time on this discussion, you need a bonafide Guru to train you up, go find one.Without proper initiation by a bonafide Guru one is still considered a twolegged animal

 
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said this on 16 Feb 2007 7:36:15 AM EST
"Questioning senior devotees." I forgot about this one. Right in line with "you're just finding fault".
Well Rocana Prabhu is a senior disciple and I accept his instructions because he is not duplicitous. In fact he was my temple president. So you again you are speaking out your proverbial orifice.

 
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said this on 16 Feb 2007 9:34:57 AM EST
Hey Payonidhi, speaking of the need for a bonafide guru, WHO IS YOUR BONAFIDE GURU? You have been reintiated a dozen times and you have rejected a dozen gurus. As of now you have no guru. So you are a hypocrite to say all others who disagree with you "need a bonafide guru".

 
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said this on 16 Feb 2007 10:00:54 AM EST
mr Unknown I was initiated by Harikesa
a faithfull diciple for 20 years, if it count for having had a fallen Guru,actually unless you give a name I wont discuss anything with you,it means you have no guts

 
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said this on 16 Feb 2007 10:07:35 AM EST
what Guru told you to say Hi instead of even a Hari Bol?
Good luck Kali Chela

 
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said this on 17 Feb 2007 1:49:25 AM EST
So Payonidhi admits he has no guru, yet he tells people they need a guru before they can talk to him. What a loser. Were'nt you also initiated by Narayana Maharaja for 2 weeks before you rejected him. You are just a confused fool who doesn't know anything, but you like to pretend you are a big person in ISKCON. First get initiated, and once you have a bonafide guru come back and talk to us rascals. Payonidhi is just another hipocrate who shouts at people for not having a guru, but then himself has no guru.

 
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said this on 17 Feb 2007 7:42:51 AM EST
I knew this came from a disciple of Narayana Maharaja, that is obvious.
I actually have not rejected the many good instructions I have gotten from Narayana Maharaja, but I rejected the corruption in his organization headed by Brajanath, it is a long story.
I personally hate Srila Prabhupada being called Swamiji, Maharaja can call him, but when disciples of Srila Prabhupada calls him "Swamiji" and stree the distribution of NM books over Srila Prabhupadas, there is a limit, it is along drawn out subject, but for someone that does not like me, it seems hardly worth to discuss.Some teaching of NM are different from Srila Prabhupadas like understanding about Kalki avatar. I respect Narayana Maharaja very much , but he is not on the same level of Srila Prabhupada, and I prefere Srila Prabhupadas teachings and instittuion.I am not here to make enemies.Wish you all success in going back to Godhead
Ys
Payonidhi das

 
Payonidhi das Rating: ratingfullratingfullratingfullratingfullratingfull Unrated
said this on 17 Feb 2007 7:50:15 AM EST
I have lots of Gurus, but Kali yuga das
is not one of them.One of my siksa Gurus is His Divine Grace Gaura Govinda Maharaja, who gave me many wonderfull instructions.Want some good siksa you can listen to some of his many wonderfull instructions.I take siksa every day from Srila Prabhupada reading his books, are you reading his books?And distributing them

 
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said this on 12 Jan 2008 7:15:21 AM EST
my dear past friends and idol worship buddies.
Formerly, a stallworth member of the krishna's i left in 84 under the direction of My Father, God, for jews g-d. What does that mean exactly? It simply implies what prophets have repeated in the Bible. God speaks to people in dreams and through signs. By His Grace i came to the Temple, and by His Grace i left. dec 79-dec 83. i was there long enough to expose the weakness of zonal gurus, and be instrumental in the Spirit of Love and Truth, and compassion to leave Montreal, and see to it's demise, and then the subsequent falling away of New Vrindaban. My fellow strange brothers, i too, was born into the western culture into christianity, and yes it is a Cult of massive proportions, infecting the entire world with mythological teachings about sons, prophets and God. The same thing happened thousands of yrs ago with literature written about men and their subsequent 'spiritual- self realized' character. That is the inevitable happened when they died and attributes where given to them that otherwise caused them to be 'like gods' or of mythological proportion. The reason, that other men following in their traditions abused their authoritive positions and power to instill lies, and false doctrine into the minds of the weak to cause them to fall for mythological stories and given supernatural attributes to otherwise 'just men'. Hence the thousands of faiths, religions, movements and alike all lost to traditions of men.
The prophets, jc alike never did perform magical feats, such smiling at a lake and 5000 fish appeared in the sky, nor did he walk above a lake nor did Hanuman jump in the air from one island to the next. You have all been victims of lies, and mythology.
i tell you this, not of my own doing but He who has sent me is True. That is God, there is but One God, and He promised through the mouth of the Holy Prophets to send a son who in the EndTimes will resemble the angels and saints and cause to happen the final battle called 'Armageddon'. That is prophecy, that is why i come knocking. If any of you hear my voice Rev 3:20, i will gladly come in and sup with you at the Lord's Table.
your eternal brother and friend
in Him in Truth and Trust
messiah.
formerly jananivas, but that was simply for the purpose of seeing what is the height of idolatry practiced in ways not acceptable to God.
email me,
email your friends,
Rocana, you are so entangled in the web of your mind, while the rest are so lost to idols and false teaching.


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